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RE: Hotmail TOS

I can't believe this got here.
Read it (The TOS) carefully, this "All your I.P. are belong to us" applies
only to material posted to public forums or sent directly to tech support.
They can't read your mail (barring other and also questionable rules
regarding legal requests and in the best interests of hotmail defending
itself), or look at your messages.  I agree that there is a lot of other bad
legalese in the TOS which hasn't yet been tested in court and is very shady,
but this fear of them stealing any ideas that pass through e-mail is
ludicrous.
This of course if spoken as an annoyed tech agnostic who has no love for MS
nor hate for them.  I just hate fear mongering idiots who speak first and
read later.  Not to bash anyone here but you should know better than to
propogate their efforts.

I agree with Bryan, flood the tech support complaining about the TOS, but
complain about the right things in that the real issues in there are a mess.
Don't rant about them reading your e-mail cause you will be ignored I bet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Andersen [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:03 AM
To: 
Cc: Kyle Amon
Subject: OT: Hotmail TOS

Kyle Amon wrote:
> 
> > BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL ANY FURTHER COMMUNICATION ON THIS LIST
SHOULD NOT
> > BE CONDUCTED THROUGH ANY MSN, OR HOTMAIL.
> > IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT THAT MICROSMURFS ARE READING COMMUNICATIONS AND
> > RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE WITH YOUR TRANSMISSIONS AND
THAT
> > COULD MEAN COPYRIGHTING THE WORDS "BORG, CYBORG, THAD STARNER(ok so that
one
> > is for laughs but anything could happen!), WEARHARD, WEARABLE"
> > BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY COULD KNOW STUFF THEY SHOULD NOT KNOW AND
> > INFILTRATE OUR COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND COMMERCIALIZE YOUR HARD WORK AT
THEIR
> > GAIN JUST READ THIS ARTICLE ON A LEADING IT WEBSITE.BUT FIRST READ THIS
MAIL
> > A MEMBER POSTED EARLIER.
> 
> Well, they can't have BorgCon (TM).  I coined it and, yes, I'll sue
> on principal alone.
> 

M$ terms of service are against current law and international treaty.  

Just because the contents of a work I write ends up on a hotmail 
users account, dosen't change it's copyright ownership or the rights
I have to control it's distribution.

On the other hand, flood their EMail support address with complaints 
about their terms of service.  Also make sure you spread the word far 
and wide to any news outlet and senator/representitive you know of.  
The more stink that is raised, the better.

-- 
|  Bryan Andersen   |      |   http://softail.visi.com   |
| Buzzwords are like annoying little flies that deserve to be swatted. |
|   -Bryan Andersen                                                    |

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