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Re: Java X11 stuff...

From: Doug Sutherland <>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:26:24 +0000

Mike wrote:

> That would be my guess as well (the lightweight embedded toolkit thingy)...  
> Espial (where I work) does a lot of embedded Java work, and we've done 
> something similar with our Espresso toolkit.   Or so I've been told.  I'm 
> just the hardware/Linux guy...  ;)

I downloaded Espial's Ebox (mail client) and Escape (browser) but they 
only provide JDK 1.1.x versions on the web site. They wouldn't run with
my blackdown Java 2 (JDK1.2.2 FCS). The Espial docs say that there are 
Java2 versions, but they must be requested from Espial. I sent an email
to yer company a few minutes ago requesting the Java2 versions. I have 
to say it seems strange (and annoying) that I can download the JDK 1.1
versions but have to make special requests for JDK 1.2 versions. I am 
looking forward to trying out Ebox and Escape. But the source code is 
obfuscated (class names are aa and ab and ac etc) and its not clear 
what the business model is, it appears that Espial wants to sell me 
a license with royalties (just guessing ...). Nothing wrong with that
but I only want them for personal use at the moment. However, if they
are good, I might have some actual commercial uses for these at some
point down the road. I would prefer java-based mail and browser apps 
with source code though, so I can modify for wearability by adding 
speech and other interfaces like matrix keypads etc.

  -- Doug 

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