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Re[2]: wear-hard list problems

From: Vito Miliano <>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:32:05 -0600

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, 11:52:26 AM, Robin wrote:

RLP> I'll host.  I typically use ecartis (formerly listar) for my
RLP> hosted mailing lists, though.

I think the last thing anyone really wants to do is fork the mailing
list, which means breaking apart the readership, for no real good
reason.  The problems with this list have been few and far between,
and dkap and haven.org have hosted this since well before most of us
were subscribers.

Not subscribing through forwarding or false domains is common sense;
those domains may have their own internal restrictions on message
size, number of messages, etc., and unless you control them, when a
list message bounces due to your fake address, you may never find out,
and the list administrator has no recourse but to painstaking hunt
down who's clogging the lines.

The same goes for aggressive spam filters.  I run several myself, and
about once a week, I have to email someone and say that an email from
so-and-so got rejected, unblock so-and-so manually and notify
so-and-so that they run an open relay, or their IP used to be owned by
a spammer, or the rest of the world hates them, or whatever, and to
resend whatever they were sending to my user.  It's just something
that has to be done, until there's no risk of spam anywhere.

Finally, I'm always about a week or so behind on administrative
requests, because administrating my server isn't my full-time job.  If
all my users chipped in $20/week (not month, week) instead of
mooching, I'd consider it, but until then, they have to wait.  And
usually, no-one minds, are appreciative of the services provided, and
hiccups are gracefully overlooked with occasional gentle reminders
that they need to be fixed.

US$0.02.

Thanks,
--Vito

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