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I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience of controlling a PDA with
a second PDA.
I should explain the wearable system that I'm trying to develop:
I currently have a couple of
<http://www.barcode-uk.com/pages/xybernaut/maiv.htm> Xybernaut MAIV's,
they are great for full Windows programs. I'm a lighting technician for
theatre and use a specific CAD package, WYSIWYG
<http://www.castlighting.com/cast/software/products.jsp> , running on an
MAIV to assist with problems onsite in the theatre. The trouble is that
they are quite bulky, especially the Xyberview HMD (I'm selling an MAIV
off soon if anyone in the UK is interested). I'd like to develop a
smaller, more covert system that could be used on a daily basis for
checking and writing email, setting up appointments and contacts,
reading webpages, etc.
One day I'd like to get into Linux but, having grown up with
Apple and Windows, I'm a little wary of trying to set up an entire
system around an OS I'm not familiar with (though the
<http://www.gumstix.com/> Gumstix look good for wearable systems). The
<http://www.xybernaut.com/Solutions/product/poma_product.htm> Xybernaut
Poma seemed like a nice small system but they've recently been
discontinued and the price tag was just too steep at the cost of a high
powered Laptop. I'm looking at spending 500-1,000 UK pounds for the
wearable not 1,500+.
So I'm thinking about using a Pocket PC PDA w/ Bluetooth and Wi-fi as
the central CPU (perhaps the HP
<http://hpshopping.speedera.net/www.shopping.hp.com/shopping/data_sheet/
fa304a.html> hx4705, which is soon to come out) and augmenting it to be
wearable by:
Customizing an old set of Olympus
<http://www.mindflux.com.au/products/olympus/eyetrek.html> Eye-trek
video glasses into a monocular HMD to fit inside a pair of sunglasses
and running them through a VGA/Video CF Card from the PDA (Does anyone
have any suggestions of which card would be good?).
Having a Bluetooth mobile/cell phone and headset to automatically dial
out, answer and send texts using the wearable system (though I'll need
to find some software that can remotely control the phone through
Bluetooth).
Using some kind of easy to handle input device, preferably wireless
through Bluetooth, to input data and navigate the PDA. I'm dyslexic and
find writing on PDAs very slow, so I'm looking for a chording
keyboard/trackpad based device.
It's the input device that I'm having the most problems with at the
moment. The Bluetooth
<http://www.frogpad.com/information/bluefroginfo.asp> iFrog looks good,
though it is only a keyboard and doesn't have trackpad/mousing ability.
As discussed in some previous posts to Wear Hard, I looked into the
<http://www.fingerworks.com/numeric-keypad.html> Fingerworks iGesture
Numpad to see if it could be adapted into a chording keyboard so that
you could have both a keyboard and trackpad in one unit. The trouble is
the company doesn't reply to my emails so I can't find anything out,
also it runs off of USB and I'd like the unit to be wireless. You can
buy external trackpads like the Cirque
<http://www.cirque.com/products/cons-prod.html> range but they all seem
to be USB based.
However, I came across the software Pebbles
<http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~pebbles/overview/software.html> and Stylish
<http://www.kasuei.com/stylish/> a few days ago. These are programs
that allow you to remotely control keyboard and mouse functions on a
desktop PC from your Palm or Pocket PC through a variety of protocols
including a serial cable, IrDA or a wireless network.
Does anyone know if you could run the PC side of the software on a
second PDA instead of a desktop or if there is any PDA to PDA remote
control software? This would allow you to have a small Bluetooth
enabled PDA in your hand controlling mousing and basic functions of the
second PDA in your pocket running the HMD. Perhaps combine this with
the Bluetooth iFrog and you've got a full input and navigation device
running wirelessly.
Sorry this has become a pretty large post but if anyone can help or has
any suggestions then I would be very grateful.
Thanks
Ben
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>I’m wondering if =
anyone
has had any experience of controlling a PDA with a second =
PDA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>I should explain the =
wearable
system that I’m trying to develop:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:
1'> =
</span>I
currently have a couple of <a
href=3D"http://www.barcode-uk.com/pages/xybernaut/maiv.htm"><span =
class=3DSpellE>Xybernaut</span>
<span class=3DSpellE>MAIV</span></a><span class=3DSpellE><span =
class=3DGramE>’s</span></span><span
class=3DGramE>,</span> they are great for full Windows programs.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’m a lighting technician =
for
theatre and use a specific CAD package, <a
href=3D"http://www.castlighting.com/cast/software/products.jsp">WYSIWYG</=
a>, running
on an MAIV to assist with problems onsite in the theatre.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The trouble is that they are =
quite
bulky, especially the <span class=3DSpellE>Xyberview</span> HMD =
(I’m
selling an MAIV off soon if anyone in the =
</span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
=
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>UK</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region=
><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> is interested). <span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’d like to develop a =
smaller, more
covert system that could be used on a daily basis for checking and =
writing
email, setting up appointments and contacts, reading <span =
class=3DSpellE>webpages</span>,
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:
1'> =
</span>One
day I’d like to get into Linux but, having grown up with Apple and
Windows, I’m a little wary of trying to set up an entire system =
around an
OS I’m not familiar with (though the <a =
href=3D"http://www.gumstix.com/"><span
class=3DSpellE>Gumstix</span></a> look good for wearable systems).<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The <a
href=3D"http://www.xybernaut.com/Solutions/product/poma_product.htm"><spa=
n
class=3DSpellE>Xybernaut</span> <span class=3DSpellE>Poma</span></a> =
seemed like a
nice small system but they’ve recently been discontinued and the =
price
tag was just too steep at the cost of a high powered Laptop.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’m looking at spending =
500-1,000 </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
=
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>UK</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region=
><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> pounds for the wearable not =
1,500+.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>So
I’m thinking about using a Pocket PC PDA w/ Bluetooth and <span
class=3DSpellE>Wi-fi</span> as the central CPU (perhaps the <a
href=3D"http://hpshopping.speedera.net/www.shopping.hp.com/shopping/data_=
sheet/fa304a.html">HP
hx4705</a>, which is soon to come out) and augmenting it to be wearable =
by:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Cust=
omizing
an old set of <a =
href=3D"http://www.mindflux.com.au/products/olympus/eyetrek.html">Olympus=
Eye-trek</a> video glasses into a monocular HMD to fit inside a pair of
sunglasses and running them through a VGA/Video CF Card from the PDA =
(Does
anyone have any suggestions of which card would be =
good?).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Havi=
ng
a Bluetooth mobile/cell phone and headset to automatically dial out, =
answer and
send texts using the wearable system (though I’ll need to find =
some
software that can remotely control the phone through =
Bluetooth).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Usin=
g
some kind of easy to handle input device, preferably wireless through
Bluetooth, to input data and navigate the PDA.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’m dyslexic and find =
writing on <span
class=3DSpellE>PDAs</span> very slow, so I’m looking for a =
chording
keyboard/<span class=3DSpellE>trackpad</span> based =
device.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>It&#=
8217;s
the input device that I’m having the most problems with at the =
moment.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The <a
href=3D"http://www.frogpad.com/information/bluefroginfo.asp">Bluetooth =
<span
class=3DSpellE>iFrog</span></a> looks good, though it is only a keyboard =
and
doesn’t have <span class=3DSpellE>trackpad/mousing</span> =
ability.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>As discussed in some previous =
posts to
Wear Hard, I looked into the <a
href=3D"http://www.fingerworks.com/numeric-keypad.html"><span =
class=3DSpellE>Fingerworks</span>
<span class=3DSpellE>iGesture</span> <span =
class=3DSpellE>Numpad</span></a> to see
if it could be adapted into a chording keyboard so that you could have =
both a
keyboard and <span class=3DSpellE>trackpad</span> in one unit.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The trouble is the company =
doesn’t
reply to my emails so I can’t find anything out, also it runs off =
of USB
and I’d like the unit to be wireless.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You can buy external <span =
class=3DSpellE>trackpads</span>
like the <a =
href=3D"http://www.cirque.com/products/cons-prod.html">Cirque</a> range
but they all seem to be USB based.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Howe=
ver,
I came across the software <a
href=3D"http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~pebbles/overview/software.html">Pebbles<=
/a> and <a
href=3D"http://www.kasuei.com/stylish/">Stylish</a> a few days ago. =
<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>These are programs that allow =
you to
remotely control keyboard and mouse functions on a desktop PC from your =
Palm or
Pocket PC through a variety of protocols including a serial cable, IrDA =
or a wireless
network.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Does=
anyone know if you could run the PC side of the software on a second PDA
instead of a desktop or if there is any PDA to PDA remote control =
software?<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This would allow you to have a =
small Bluetooth
enabled PDA in your hand controlling <span class=3DSpellE>mousing</span> =
and
basic functions of the second PDA in your pocket running the HMD.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Perhaps combine this with the =
Bluetooth <span
class=3DSpellE>iFrog</span> and you’ve got a full input and =
navigation device
running wirelessly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Sorr=
y
this has become a pretty large post but if anyone can help or has any
suggestions then I would be very grateful.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Than=
ks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Ben<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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