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RE: Perhaps a cheaper HMD

From: "Charles Bolton" <>
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 06:37:21 -0700

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What ever happened to the idea of using low level energy lasers to scan =
the
image directly on the optic nerve.  This would eliminate the problems of
real estate, Borg like eye glasses and all the other fashion NoNo=92s =
that
keep HMDs from becoming consumer =93must haves=94 instead of geek toys.l =

=20

  _____ =20

From:  [mailto:]=20
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:02 PM
To: ; 
Subject: Re: [Wear-Hard] Perhaps a cheaper HMD

=20

In a message dated 9/7/07 3:26:22 PM,  writes:

 > Certainly QVGA, on which a simple clock face looks ragged, can only =
be
useful as a speedometer or heart rate monitor. As a video display it is
rated "suck".=20
=20
Oliver, being one of the Grandfathers of HMDs, you should remember a =
time
where QVGA was considered high res.  You were still making good products
with what would be considered "low res" today. What's changed other than =
the
availability of better, higher resolution displays?

         Tony - the adjective "suck-o" was said of QVGA, on day one. =20
Private Eye (720X280) looked comparatively good, though only in red.  =
Looked
especially attractive at 2.25 oz and $795. It was a beautiful 25-line
alphanumeric display, but as a graphic display it...sucked.=20
Now Microvision has increased the horizontal resolution by 80% -- for =
only
ten times the price -- and it is quite good for graphic images.

QVGA was good for getting first-time people excited about the potential =
for
HMDs, back when.  And is still good for simple alphanumerics at work and
toys at home.

I made VGA HMDs and they had to be squeezed in FOV to avoid the jaggies.
SVGA let me deliver 40=B0 FOV where individual pixels could only be seen =
if
you really squinted.

As soon as I get these projects off my plate, I'll be back with the =
Final
Solution=99.....
A fully integrated wearable office.

> SVGA gives a good enough image and will likely be the one that Makes =
It
Big... if ever people integrate enough useful functions to make a HMD =
worth
wearing in the mass market.=20
> Say 40=B0 diagonal FOV:  any less feels like tunnel vision;  any more =
just
can't be eye-scanned without muscle strain... and the optics becomes
cost-impractical. =20
> That's why a million night vision goggles have 40=B0 FOV.=20
>
> Say the eye's resolution  limit at these modest light levels is about =
half
of the ultimate eye resolution... oh, about  2.4 arcsec.  =3D 1/1000 of =
40=B0.=20
>
>So there is no (zero, nada) value in ever putting better than a 600x800
display in a 40=B0 FOV HMD.=20
>
>For anything less than SVGA -- either scale down the FOV to tunnel =
vision,
or learn to love jaggies.=20
=20
You have it right - consumer acceptability is going to be about the =
optics
and not the resolution of the panel - we've reached the apex of panel
resolution.   New and innovative optics will give the industrial =
designers
something to work with to design an appealing product.  The panel really =
has
not much to do with the consumer acceptance of a product.  No panel can
compensate for bad optics - yet.
=20
-Tony
 Yeah;  one has to assume that the designer will make  the optics low
aberration and distortion free.=20

I still don't know how to make them less ugly than Jordi glasses.  40=B0 =
FOV
on a 1/2" square display is an unavoidable 21 mm back focal length.
Something remains to be invented.

Oliver=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What ever happened to the idea of =
using
low level energy lasers to scan the image directly on the optic =
nerve.=A0 This
would eliminate the problems of real estate, Borg like eye glasses and =
all the
other fashion NoNo’s that keep HMDs from becoming consumer =
“must haves” instead
of geek toys.l <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
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 [mailto:] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September =
07, 2007
4:02 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ;
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Wear-Hard] =
Perhaps a
cheaper HMD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
In a message dated 9/7/07 3:26:22 PM,  writes:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> ></span>=
</font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> Certainly QVGA, on which a simple clock =
face
looks ragged, can only be useful as a speedometer or heart rate monitor. =
As a
video display it is rated "suck".</span></font><font size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
 <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Oliver, being =
one of the
Grandfathers of HMDs, you should remember a time where QVGA was =
considered high
res.  You were still making good products with what would be =
considered
"low res" today. What's changed other than the availability of
better, higher resolution displays?</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:black'><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#004000" face=3DGeneva =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#004000'>  &=
nbsp;  
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'>   =
Tony -
the adjective "suck-o" was said of QVGA, on day one.  =
<br>
Private Eye (720X280) looked comparatively good, though only in =
red. 
Looked especially attractive at 2.25 oz and $795. It was a beautiful =
25-line
alphanumeric display, but as a graphic display it...sucked. <br>
Now Microvision has increased the horizontal resolution by 80% -- for =
only ten
times the price -- and it is quite good for graphic images.<br>
<br>
QVGA was good for getting first-time people excited about the <i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>potential</span></i> for HMDs, back =
when.  And
is still good for simple alphanumerics at work and toys at home.<br>
<br>
I made VGA HMDs and they had to be squeezed in FOV to avoid the =
jaggies. 
SVGA let me deliver 40=B0 FOV where individual pixels could only be seen =
if you
really squinted.<br>
<br>
As soon as I get these projects off my plate, I'll be back with the =
Final
Solution™.....<br>
A fully integrated wearable office.</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> </span>=
</font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>SVGA gives a good enough image and will =
likely
be the one that Makes It Big... if ever people integrate enough useful
functions to make a HMD worth wearing in the mass =
market.</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> </span>=
</font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Say 40=B0 diagonal FOV:  any less =
feels like
tunnel vision;  any more just can't be eye-scanned without muscle
strain... and the optics becomes =
cost-impractical. </span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> That's why a million night vision =
goggles
have 40=B0 FOV.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></fo=
nt><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> </span>=
</font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Say the eye's resolution  limit at =
these
modest light levels is about half of the ultimate eye resolution... oh,
about  2.4 arcsec.  =3D 1/1000 of 40=B0.</span></font><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>So there is no (zero, nada) value in ever
putting better than a 600x800 display in a 40=B0 FOV =
HMD.</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>For anything less than SVGA -- either =
scale down
the FOV to tunnel vision, or learn to love jaggies.</span></font><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
 <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>You have it =
right -
consumer acceptability is going to be about the optics and not the =
resolution
of the panel - we've reached the apex of panel =
resolution. </span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>  </span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>New and innovative optics will give the industrial designers
something to work with to design an appealing product.  The panel =
really
has not much to do with the consumer acceptance of a product.  No =
panel
can compensate for bad optics - yet.</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
 <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-Tony</span></fon=
t><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'> Yeah;&n=
bsp; one
has to assume that the designer will make  the optics low =
aberration and
distortion free. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3D"#008040"
face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:#008040'>I still don't know how to make them less ugly than Jordi
glasses.  40=B0 FOV on a 1/2" square display is an unavoidable =
21 mm
back focal length.  Something remains to be =
invented.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva =
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'>Oliver =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'><br>
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