This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0381727418== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C7F1E2.B61CC470" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C7F1E2.B61CC470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What ever happened to the idea of using low level energy lasers to scan = the image directly on the optic nerve. This would eliminate the problems of real estate, Borg like eye glasses and all the other fashion NoNo=92s = that keep HMDs from becoming consumer =93must haves=94 instead of geek toys.l = =20 _____ =20 From:[mailto:
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Subject: Re: [Wear-Hard] Perhaps a cheaper HMD =20 In a message dated 9/7/07 3:26:22 PM,
writes: > Certainly QVGA, on which a simple clock face looks ragged, can only = be useful as a speedometer or heart rate monitor. As a video display it is rated "suck".=20 =20 Oliver, being one of the Grandfathers of HMDs, you should remember a = time where QVGA was considered high res. You were still making good products with what would be considered "low res" today. What's changed other than = the availability of better, higher resolution displays? Tony - the adjective "suck-o" was said of QVGA, on day one. =20 Private Eye (720X280) looked comparatively good, though only in red. = Looked especially attractive at 2.25 oz and $795. It was a beautiful 25-line alphanumeric display, but as a graphic display it...sucked.=20 Now Microvision has increased the horizontal resolution by 80% -- for = only ten times the price -- and it is quite good for graphic images. QVGA was good for getting first-time people excited about the potential = for HMDs, back when. And is still good for simple alphanumerics at work and toys at home. I made VGA HMDs and they had to be squeezed in FOV to avoid the jaggies. SVGA let me deliver 40=B0 FOV where individual pixels could only be seen = if you really squinted. As soon as I get these projects off my plate, I'll be back with the = Final Solution=99..... A fully integrated wearable office. > SVGA gives a good enough image and will likely be the one that Makes = It Big... if ever people integrate enough useful functions to make a HMD = worth wearing in the mass market.=20 > Say 40=B0 diagonal FOV: any less feels like tunnel vision; any more = just can't be eye-scanned without muscle strain... and the optics becomes cost-impractical. =20 > That's why a million night vision goggles have 40=B0 FOV.=20 > > Say the eye's resolution limit at these modest light levels is about = half of the ultimate eye resolution... oh, about 2.4 arcsec. =3D 1/1000 of = 40=B0.=20 > >So there is no (zero, nada) value in ever putting better than a 600x800 display in a 40=B0 FOV HMD.=20 > >For anything less than SVGA -- either scale down the FOV to tunnel = vision, or learn to love jaggies.=20 =20 You have it right - consumer acceptability is going to be about the = optics and not the resolution of the panel - we've reached the apex of panel resolution. New and innovative optics will give the industrial = designers something to work with to design an appealing product. The panel really = has not much to do with the consumer acceptance of a product. No panel can compensate for bad optics - yet. =20 -Tony Yeah; one has to assume that the designer will make the optics low aberration and distortion free.=20 I still don't know how to make them less ugly than Jordi glasses. 40=B0 = FOV on a 1/2" square display is an unavoidable 21 mm back focal length. Something remains to be invented. Oliver=20 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C7F1E2.B61CC470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Geneva; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What ever happened to the idea of = using low level energy lasers to scan the image directly on the optic = nerve.=A0 This would eliminate the problems of real estate, Borg like eye glasses and = all the other fashion NoNo’s that keep HMDs from becoming consumer = “must haves” instead of geek toys.l <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font = size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
[mailto:
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<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Wear-Hard] = Perhaps a cheaper HMD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> In a message dated 9/7/07 3:26:22 PM,
writes:<br> <br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> ></span>= </font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'> Certainly QVGA, on which a simple clock = face looks ragged, can only be useful as a speedometer or heart rate monitor. = As a video display it is rated "suck".</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> <br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Oliver, being = one of the Grandfathers of HMDs, you should remember a time where QVGA was = considered high res. You were still making good products with what would be = considered "low res" today. What's changed other than the availability of better, higher resolution displays?</span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'><br> <br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:black'><o:p></o:p></sp= an></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#004000" face=3DGeneva = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#004000'> &= nbsp; </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'> = Tony - the adjective "suck-o" was said of QVGA, on day one. = <br> Private Eye (720X280) looked comparatively good, though only in = red. Looked especially attractive at 2.25 oz and $795. It was a beautiful = 25-line alphanumeric display, but as a graphic display it...sucked. <br> Now Microvision has increased the horizontal resolution by 80% -- for = only ten times the price -- and it is quite good for graphic images.<br> <br> QVGA was good for getting first-time people excited about the <i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'>potential</span></i> for HMDs, back = when. And is still good for simple alphanumerics at work and toys at home.<br> <br> I made VGA HMDs and they had to be squeezed in FOV to avoid the = jaggies. SVGA let me deliver 40=B0 FOV where individual pixels could only be seen = if you really squinted.<br> <br> As soon as I get these projects off my plate, I'll be back with the = Final Solution™.....<br> A fully integrated wearable office.</span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> </span>= </font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>SVGA gives a good enough image and will = likely be the one that Makes It Big... if ever people integrate enough useful functions to make a HMD worth wearing in the mass = market.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> </span>= </font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>Say 40=B0 diagonal FOV: any less = feels like tunnel vision; any more just can't be eye-scanned without muscle strain... and the optics becomes = cost-impractical. </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font= ><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'> That's why a million night vision = goggles have 40=B0 FOV.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></fo= nt><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font= ><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> </span>= </font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>Say the eye's resolution limit at = these modest light levels is about half of the ultimate eye resolution... oh, about 2.4 arcsec. =3D 1/1000 of 40=B0.</span></font><font = size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font= ><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font= ><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>So there is no (zero, nada) value in ever putting better than a 600x800 display in a 40=B0 FOV = HMD.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font= ><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font= ><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>For anything less than SVGA -- either = scale down the FOV to tunnel vision, or learn to love jaggies.</span></font><font = size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> <br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>You have it = right - consumer acceptability is going to be about the optics and not the = resolution of the panel - we've reached the apex of panel = resolution. </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblue face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:blue'>New and innovative optics will give the industrial designers something to work with to design an appealing product. The panel = really has not much to do with the consumer acceptance of a product. No = panel can compensate for bad optics - yet.</span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'><br> <br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-Tony</span></fon= t><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'> Yeah;&n= bsp; one has to assume that the designer will make the optics low = aberration and distortion free. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:#008040'>I still don't know how to make them less ugly than Jordi glasses. 40=B0 FOV on a 1/2" square display is an unavoidable = 21 mm back focal length. Something remains to be = invented.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#008040" face=3DGeneva = FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:#008040'>Oliver = </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br> </span></font><font face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D'font-family:Arial'><br> <br> <br> **************************************<br> See what's new at http://www.aol.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C7F1E2.B61CC470-- --===============0381727418== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wear-Hard mailing list
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