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Re: Netwinder

From: Alex Holden <>
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:25:45 +0100 (GMT)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Eric LaForest wrote:
> >Has anyone attempted to integrate a netwinder into a wearable?  If so, what
> >were your results?  Also, what good/bad points did you find?
> Been there, done that...

<AOL>Me Too!</AOL>

> I had to give it up until I find a suitable HMD as a Compaq 286/LTE was
> too clunky.

I gave it up because I found using a Psion palmtop as a serial terminal
too awkward. Voice output would probably work well, or you could use
either the composite video or the VGA output to connect to some kind of
portable monitor or HMD and a twiddler for input.

> Minus: the form factor is a bit clunky.  The plastic case seems too
> fragile to expose to the elements, so mine is in an aluminum

I don't think it's that bad really. The plastic is pretty strong, so the
main thing you would have to worry about is damaging the hard drive if you
drop it whilst it's running, and you have that with any wearable. I used
it in a rucksack though to make it less obtrusive.

> Minus: runs very hot internally (typ: 50deg C) and is *not* hardened like

It does- it has a lot of PC type peripherals packed into a very small
area, and not all of them can be powered down when not in use.

> SO-DIMM RAM is custom...some internal specs are available, but it's (IIRC)
> a 10-layer SMD board..definitely *non*-trivial to hack.

I've spent months hacking it, and am still working on it- though I am
getting paid for it ;) There is a daughter card which in the standard
machine has the 10/100 ethernet chip, the serial port driver, and some
pretty useless telephone circuitry (basically it doesn't have a SLIC to
power an analogue phone, so it doesn't do any more than the seperate audio
handset port does). You can put up to two PCI devices on the daughtercard,
though you need some custom logic if you want both of them to do bus
master DMA. We're just completing a replacement daughter card which has an
ISDN interface and a proper analogue phone port with SLIC (so with
relevant software, you could recieve an ISDN or Voice-over IP call, and
an ordinary telephone connected to the port would ring, answer when you
pick it up, etc.). After this board, we'll be designing another new card 
with a multi-port high speed synchronous serial interface on it (using an
in-circuit-reprogrammable FPGA and probably a few meg of SDRAM- so you
could potentially reprogram the FPGA to do things like image processing if
that was more useful to you. We originally planned to use a DSP, but the
FPGA method turned out to be cheaper, lower power, and more versatile).
I'm afraid I'm not allowed to supply people with the daughtercard pinout
or anything under agreement with Rebel, but you might have luck getting
them from them if you ask nicely...

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