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Re: Power source

From: Charles J Knight <>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:05:38 -0600

> > (OK, 
> > so it may or may not be practical...it's clever!)

> I'm sure a model airplane engine attached to a small generator would
> produce much more power than a battery of the same weight. The only

I had a feeling that it would.  Just a weird little thought.  Like I
said,
it may or may not be practical.

> problems I can think of are related to the idea of carrying around a
> running internal combustion engine.

I already had those thoughts -- in addition to the noise, there is the
exhaust, the potential danger of carrying around a flammable fuel 
source, and a few others.  But, if you take a look at a lot of battery
technologies, they don't inspire confidence either.

But, as an off the cuff idea, it might  be workable.

> But you'd probably be one of the few people who could jump start a 
> car with what they're wearing.

That much power?  That would surprise me!

> But it could have it's uses as a small, self-contained, muffled(!)
> (those motors sound like angry mosquitos piped through Marshall amps)

I haven't even tried to start the thing yet...just a little purchase that
I got at a flea market.

> emergency power source for outdoor use or in case of extreme
> power load from large peripherals (like flash tubes).
> If the whole thing is appropriately built into a tiny aluminum alloy
> box, tank and all, it could in fact produce large amounts of power.

Any ideas as to the amount of power?  I know that it will run as long
as there is a source of fuel, so it's not a simple matter of watt-hours.

> The main problem that cannot be bypassed though, is the outdoors-only
> nature of the gazoline-oil exhaust...unless you alter the engine to run
on pure
> hydrogen or to burn other hydrcarbons (butane, natural gas, etc...)
> *perfectly*...thus producing only CO2 and H2O.

It should be possible to run it on vapors from almost any 
petrochemical, including gasoline...  

But a truly clean burn is practically impossible without rather 
significant control of the burn ratio, which in a retrofit will reduce 
its output tremendously.

Alternatives?

> ...hmmm...how hard would it be to convert to butane?
> It's real cheap and available in good-sized containers for refilling
> lighters...

As I understand it, conversion of an ICE (any ICE) requires only
a means by which the fuel can be introduced...new carburetor,
and a means to adjust the fuel-air mix.  Occasionally the timing
needs to be adjusted.  I haven't taken a close enough look at this 
thing yet, to even FIND the carburetor.

Butane is vapor at operating temperatures, right?

Thinking about it, in this engine, I believe it uses a fuel-oil 
mix for lubrication.  I wonder if a simple conversion is possible 
with a system like this?  With separate fuel and oil it seems
simple...

     -- Chuck Knight
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